the urge to buy an iPhone resurfaces

gonna keep coping online instead of actually doing it though

probably

@cas I mean, iPhones are pretty good

@alicela1n I do hear this

I hear bad things too

but I'm starting to at least see the potential value in finding out for myself

especially now third party app stores are a thing

@cas but what about the walled garden + vendor lock-in?!

@cas there is the problem of it being a walled garden, but for me personally it is everything I need from a phone, I'm kinda in Apple's ecosystem right now, and I stick with it because I prefer it over Android, and these days Android is getting more and more locked down as well

@craftyguy vendor lock-in for what? im locked-in to Google services, YouTube, and mastodon and those are all available I think

@alicela1n what things do you find restrictive in that sense?

@cas the backgrounding APIs on iOS don't allow for services like Syncthing to function properly, there is an annoying limitation where you can only use one VPN at a time, and Apple doesn't allow third party apps to use JIT, sideloading is gated behind a $99/year development certificate and Apple doesn't really want you doing it anyway

@cas Apple pushes iphone users to use/depend on services that aren't accessible outside the Apple "ecosystem", like ichat. I guess if you can avoid them... 🤷

@cas it is at least worth buying one to study the user experience on imo

@cas i also wondered if an iPhone was for me, but honestly i don't think i need to buy one and support apple just to try it out. in the meantime, a fairphone saves the ecosystem and guarantees you longevity

@cas I thought a while back about switching to an iPhone, but I believe that would be a huge downgrade from de-googled Android as It's vendor locked as hell.

While I dislike Android (and would love to go back to Sailfish OS) I still firmly believe It seems to be the best from both evil worlds. If I were on iOS I would not be able to write my own apps from any Linux system, use Termux natively without any emulation layer, continue using 3rd party YT clients such as Newpipe and Grayjay.

@craftyguy @cas One thing to watch out for: The instant you activate a SIM card on an iPhone, it will advertise your phone number as an iMessage address to every Apple user who has your number in their contacts. The only way to avoid this is to disable iMessage and FaceTime completely on the device.

@alex @craftyguy @cas I'm sorry to understand but what's the issue on this? They already have your number.

@vixalientoots @alex @cas see what I said earlier about Apple pushing users to use their proprietary walled garden

@craftyguy @vixalientoots @alex @cas i think that's only perceived on some countries... i hate google, they push you to their ecosystem in very shady ways, (and remember, Google is an ad company) and i mean, yes, you can switch from samsung to motorola or whatever, but you are feeding the same giant ad company, that's why they make it easier! D:.

I feel that the biggest reason Apple is perceived like the worst is not because of them, but because the countries culture, i see a lot of people complaining about "Man, i can't message my friends because they say i have green bubbles on IMessage u.u", but then there are developing countries where you need to use whatsapp or google specific services to access your medical assurance D: (this is from a normal user perspective, i know most of Linux users only want to sideload their apps and such)