using the terminal is not difficult. i do not have high standards for being computer literate. but the fact that companies push people towards having no clue how anything they use works is greatly harmful. you should learn how to use a terminal. you should learn what http is. don’t let companies steal the joy of learning

in fact. if anyone wants to learn how to use a terminyal, or wants to learn what http is, and you’re struggling
just send me a message
i will help you

@mia when im in car with my mom i infodump about tech shit, does that count ?

@SRAZKVT that is praxis, good job comrade

@mia terminals are Fun and not scary!

@mia just look at google and apple trying to get rid of the concept of directories and files... people grow up surrounded by tech but android/ios, and then i say "ok create a dir for that" they look at me like `????`

it's almost like those new locked-down devices are meant to be used in a very specific way that only caters to their specific interface and then they try to disassociate the ui with the underlying works of the computer it actually is

@navi @mia like some level of abstraction is good, but this is too much and the abstraction too leaky

@aprzn @mia files and dirs are already abstractions that work quite well, but on mobile devices they want to make everything invisible, make it so that the user doesn't even know the "data" they have.

it makes sense now how people are always so confused when their iphone storage fill up, they have no concept of how their data is stored, they can't know how it is organized, they can only peek thru the windows that the "photos app" or "office app" shows them, and imo, that sucks

@mia @chronovore @navi “file”? what’s that?

@mia i dont want to learn about satanic computers. "programming" languages? the only language is english and anything else is trying to "program" you into a liberal. EVIL!

@OrangeCatCatBoys hi ember did you see i posted my feet

@mia drools violently

@OrangeCatCatBoys @mia someday im gonna teach you whatever lisp i like in that moment

@coolbean @mia absolutely not

@OrangeCatCatBoys @mia same vibe

@OrangeCatCatBoys @mia just be glad i didnt say lambda calculus

(though that is a big part of most of them)

@coolbean @mia i will never learn one thing about a computer

@mia I think I know how a terminal works, but half the time I use it to install something, it doesn't work. Soooo

@mia counterpoint: attention is a finite resource and learning low-level computer implementation details takes it away from learning what you're using the computer for in the first place

if you're on there to draw, you could spend time learning what a fragment shader is and how OS input events and input smoothing algorithms work and maybe pick up some idea of what your graphics program is doing to put ink on the canvas where your pen goes

but you could also give the Procreate people $13, not give a single shit about how to build your own, and spend that time learning how to draw better

@vyr @mia counter-counter point: the original post is not demanding people learn low-level assembly, i don't understand the first thing about it but i get my way around the terminal because i've learned how to use it, and it's really, seriously it really, really isn't that hard

learning computer stuff i'd say is important, but google and apple wants people to not learn basic fundamentals to use their phones, and instead lock everything behind proprietary garbageware and assume that computers are just magic that sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't

why do you think the top apps on the play/app store are just ad-ridden pieces of shit that not even windows has tampered with in years? because people don't know better! they are given no info on how things actually work!

i think it'd be a good thing to teach these people they don't have to live like this, and can actually have fun with their devices.

and no, contrary to what you think, they don't have to learn what "shaders" are.

@mia I've seen it discussed that people younger than ~21 tend to be about as vulnerable to scams and phishing as people 50+ due to things working too well. They never had to fix things, they just had UI's that worked; without a great idea of how it works.

@mia In some contexts, I find using a terminal window as full replacement for desktop shortcuts, start menus and whatever other clicky thing very pleasant.

You don't have to navigate submenus or look for anything. Just a brief bit of gibberish and it launches what I want, how I want it.

@mia I would like to encourage more people to truly learn how to use their computer and what it's doing. I agree very much that companies steal the joy of learning to the point where they discourage it. Learning Unix on #OpenBSD was an eye opening experience and really brought the joy in computing back. Today I have a homelab comprised of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Arch Linux, and Alma Linux. The only trouble I have is keep sudo and doas commands straight.

@mia using terminal commands = scary
typing commands in minecraft = fun

or something idk i love my command line

@navi @mia I never understood this argument? Android has folders that you always interact with when you're browsing your pictures like most people do.

@i_lost_my_bagel @mia it has the same way that android "tecnically" is linux, but everything on it's design wants to get you away from that. files from apps are hidden not only from other apps but from you the user.

it is not as bad as ios which doesn't have a visible file structure at all, but android tries to pigeon-hole you into not using it's. treating documents and photos and alike like it's own little containers that you access via a gallery app, a documents app. most of the people that i know that use android (and are not already computer savvy) don't even know how the files app is supposed to work, because on every step of the way android encourages you to not look under the hood

@elke @mia same thing with minecraft commands

@mia i remember all elementary through high school before google cloud took over, every time we'd go to the computer lab to make a word document or whatever they ALWAYS extremely slowly explain saving our files to the network drive like "ok so move your mouse up to file (repeat x3) and move down to save as, make sure it's save as not save (repeat x3) and go down to the left side where it says" yada yada. every single time, until the big switch to google classroom was made.

i found it really annoying, it took so much time for something i considered extremely basic. but apparently nobody ever remembered how to do it, and most of em still have no idea what a file is. which is just depressing.

@mia definitely agree with this. Went from fearing the terminal to kind of loving it, still like my GUI though lol.

@mia literally what I’ve been yelling in the void about for a while, it’s obscene just how much companies are pushing for tech illiteracy
(also I’ll boost later, Kaiteki doesn’t like boosting unlisted posts)

@mia I tell my parents that it helps to say "I'm in," whenever they run `sudo su` to get maximum root powers.