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Nikola Orsinov [Joseph Grimaldi]

Is America collapsing?
The amount of mutual aid posts circulating is honestly crazy rn

I constantly feel guilty but to make even a dent in one of them i would need to give each person 1/8 of my current below-minimum-wage sallery

Like these arent small asks and issues
Every single one is an existance threatening and expensive exploitative charge

And i’ve seen at least 10 in two days
Given to three people, but each like not enough to make a serious dent i fear

Are yall amerikanskis dying?
Wth is happening

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@orsinov
Yeah I think it is collapsing. On paper supposedly the economy is doing well but everyone is barely employed if they have a job at all. Rents are still high, medical costs are high, evictions are high. These numbers aren't unreasonable, when people ask for $5k for medical expenses that's probably *after* they already put in a bunch of cash from other sources too.

edit - well they are unreasonable but I mean they aren't unreal
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@smitten
I’ve never had to pay 5k$ for a thing in my LIFE

Like i could’ve went to Uni for approx 8 months with 5k (tight budget but it includes at least cost of living+tuition+transport)
Well.. conversion rates
More like 7 months then.
Euro is quite a bit more valuable damn
5k$ =4600€

But yeah paying 5k at once would obliterate my being
How tf

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civilizational collapse?
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@smitten @orsinov Besides economic reasons there's also the fact that, while it's always been dangerous to be a minority in the US, it's abruptly gotten much more dangerous for more people. Quite a few of the mutual aide posts I've come across seem to carry with them the end goal of getting north or getting out of the country. That's expensive as hell, on top of vicious medical debt collectors.

There was a pretty big petition in my country to accept queer Americans as refugees for how they're being treated, particularly in the red states. Not sure where that'll go; there's echos of the hatred here too

It's felt like we're days away from complete collapse for a long time but never like this. At least, not in my narrow experience of my life
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@smitten
I guess a single surgery is actually generally about this expensive, the internet tells me

Crazy

I don’t need surgeries though and if i did i wouldn’t be the one paying the bill :/

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@orsinov
yeah something as simple as a broken bone can cost $2k - $6k without insurance. and if it requires surgery you're easily looking at like $15k. Granted most hospitals have payment programs and can offer discounts for uninsured patients but it's still incredibly expensive, and you have to put in hours and hours of phone calls and paperwork to access that stuff.
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@smitten
4k - 8k € for Hospital ride and broken bone checks out in Germany too

Hospitals are expensive compared to regular Doctors Offices though, due to higher operating costs

Yeah and the Kasse gönns rein and pays everything
I think the contribution is about 500€ on average

I paid 120 this month with my rel. low trainee sallery

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