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Eepy Moe Administration

Important Information for Eepy.moe Users

Hi everyone- I need to share some rather unfortunate news with you today.
I’ve decided to take action against woem.men. As part of a collection of administrators and instances who agree on suspending woem.men, we will be suspending woem.men in 14 days.

This will include:

We have decided to suspend woem.men as we find that they are no longer able to effectively maintain a safe environment for users. Here is a compilation of some of the issues that are publicly facing and available:

  • The administration has repeatedly failed to remove groomers from their mixed-age platform, endangering the safety of their users. Multiple victims have come forward about abusive, grooming behavior from multiple users on the platform who have, and some who continue to remain on the platform. The administration has also invited an abuser to a discord server for the intentions of ‘watching over’ that individual, fully aware that the individual is in a relationship with a minor. Considering that it is not the Administration’s job to ‘watch over’ grooming and pedophilic behavior, it is reasonable to say that instead of making a report about the behavior to authorities, the administrator acted recklessly and endangered minors.
  • There are multiple NSFW content creators on woem.men, which are housed beside minors, and has even created multiple invitations for minors to continue joining woem.men regardless of age - and have even lowered the age limit from 16 to 13 after allegations came out for the point above. She continues to enforce that her server is more adult-friendly than minor friendly with the “have you tried ashten milk? :3” loading message.
  • The administration has decided to create a Matrix server, despite the software being notorious for poor moderation tools and being informed of aforementioned issues by several instance administrators. Combined with the above two points, this only further endangers minors on their platform while further dividing the administration’s load between several platforms.
  • The administration created an insensitive “meta memes” account that did not ask for sides of the story, instead posting only highly critical memes for cheap shots at instances and instance administrators, removing nuance from ongoing meta and reductively covering issues while also inflaming and inciting meta, harming other instances. In addition, the administration directly inflames otherwise smaller interpersonal situations and actively blows them far out of proportion, bullying smaller users as a result, whether directly or indirectly by enabling other users to do so.
  • The administration created a highly insensitive parody account that violates section 3 of their own rules and policies. The content being posted was derogatory, sexist, and overall shocking, gross conduct. The instances who confronted the administration over this account received a prepared statement that does not address the concerns they had - rather blew past them. The administration of those instances then made the suspension of that account public as it had violated their rules.
  • The administration has made multiple posts undermining the trust and confidence of instances for cheap shots, calling out instances who were in the US who “didn’t care about your data”, even though multiple instances have a working GDPR statement and intend to follow it, for example.
  • The administration has made previous statements that they will improve when previous issues surrounding them cropped up. No such efforts to improve have been observed, despite numerous reassuring statements that it will happen.
How do I keep in touch with my friends on my server?

During the 14 days, we will keep the doors open to allow members of woem.men to transfer to other servers, and vice versa. Afterwards, the servers mentioned above will no longer allow for any communication from woem.men, which means you will need to register with another instance. If you are looking to keep in touch with your friends from woem.men, then it’s imperative in the next 14 days to transition to a new server - or to ask your friends to migrate!

I apologize for this news. I know that a lot of people are friends between our servers.

If you have any questions, please feel free to get in contact with me.

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@julia @admin im confused. I knew about some of the pedo stuff on woem.men but wasn’t that under control?

also weren’t instances listed on good terms with woem.men until recently? this is the first I’ve heard about most of the claims.

I’m sorry i just really confused

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@sleepybisexual @julia No. The pedo stuff has happened twice and I’m fucking done with it. Ashten has done nothing to improve her administration, and it’s not acceptable.

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Hey any links to the "highly insensitive parody account"? That seem pretty bad.
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@julia oh shit. I knew of the Hanna situation but didn’t know about the second.

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@julia @sleepybisexual hi! what’s the measure of improving administration here?

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@amie @sleepybisexual Preventing groomers and sex pests from being in the same space as minors. It’s pretty fucking simple, and she’s done nothing to fix it.

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@julia @sleepybisexual wait, that’s a very serious allegation
any details? is this happening?

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@amie @sleepybisexual

  1. The hanna situation, she let her claim two more victims while under her roof.
  2. I don’t remember her name, but there was another known groomer that she brought onto her discord “to keep an eye on” as if that’s an appropriate way to handle something like that. Sure, lets take the sex pest and put them in a server full of minors, great idea.
  3. She’s done nothing to improve her moderation since these incidents, even going as far to regress on them and make her moderation more lenient.
  4. Nevermind the fact that her own instance is full of sexualized content and she still advertises it to minors as a safe space. The fucking “ashten milk” loading screen? really? on an instance with minors?
  5. She also like, got damn close to grooming someone herself, if not outright. She tried to get a girl who had been groomed twice to move in with her.
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@julia @sleepybisexual that doesn’t answer the last question and just repeats the points that have been circulating for a good year by now (and can be read in different contexts, obviously) – despite those exact instances not taking action before

is the 3rd point about refusing to use modshark for 24/7 proactive content moderation?

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@amie @sleepybisexual Modshark can be used in a good way. Ashten had it configured to scan basically any fucking word that could maybe be construed as transphobia, which was an outright invasion of privacy.

If you set modshark up right, it is not invasive.

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@julia @sleepybisexual are there any resources on doing it right?

and also, why does it seem to be the solution required by those instances? there are many ways to moderate content (and you can’t ever achieve perfection here, no matter what way)

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@amie @sleepybisexual It’s not required. I’m just saying that calling it “invasive” because ashten set it up in an invasive manner is not indicative of the tool as a whole.

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@amie also, I’ve been meaning to do this defed for a WHILE, I just couldn’t get the balls to fuckin do it, given the size of the instance.

The hanna situation personally effected me. I was groomed by her when I was 17 (she was 23 at the time). Seeing inaction when ashten let it happen a second time hurt me personally, and indicated to me that she wasn’t going to make any real effort to avoid pedos in the future.

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@julia @sleepybisexual i didn’t use that word

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@amie @sleepybisexual The tone of the message made it read with that meaning.

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@julia @sleepybisexual @amie on the “keeping an eye on” thing, I can maybe make like a tiny bit of sense out of it;

like from like a “your trying to improve i can maybe help you” kinda way, maybe?
Or maybe a “it’s better watch you and intervene if something happens than let you go around other places and potentially hurt ppl” it makes a *little* sense?

But it seems misguided especially on a mixed age instance where there would be minors around, but like this is about all I can think of

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@julia @amie @Li also, I don’t see the big deal about the ashten milk thing, isn’t it just a meme? /genq

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@sleepybisexual @amie @Li its a sexually charged meme in a space with minors.

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@julia @sleepybisexual @amie i never interpreted it as sexual honestly .. 🤷‍♀️

but like once you point it out seems kinda obvious how it could be,

It seems more likely just a not well thought decision to make it a loading message rather than as like something malicious?

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@Li @julia @sleepybisexual any of you, pls untag me, julia blocks me but sharkey still sends notifications for empty posts

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@Li @julia pls untag me too, just burnt out from meta stuff

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@admin @julia dystopia.zip and anarchist.au (same admin) will also be defederating in 14 days

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@admin @julia Hi, allissa here. First off, thank you so fucking much to you Julia and the other instances contributing to this for finally stepping up against Ashten’s power grip here, your commitment is incredible and I thank you a lot. It moves me emotionally finally seeing action being taken and makes me look at this community in a better light.

Anyways. I’ve noticed a lot of people share valid criticisms, discomfort & resentment, or plain rude responses in regards to this callout post. While mostly I’m filled with disgust from those types of posts, there are some that have valid worries and concern instead of just concern trolling.

I’ll be responding to 2 common things I’ve seen floating around with this post I’m replying to.

I’m leaving fedi if you block woem.men! / Fediblock is so stressful and is ruining fedi

I think this would be a valid criticism if Ashten wasn’t a horrible person responsible for some despicable garbage. If your instance admin is a horrible person, instance admins reserve the right and will excersize that right to block and ban them from their communities. This isn’t the community fracturing, this is the community healing. You, as a user, can migrate to a different instance and move away from toxic meta from drama causing system admins.

Ashten isn’t a horrible person! / This post is being over dramatic.

Yes, she is. I can account to a grooming attempt she and her ex girlfriend have tried on me. I was caught in a horrible time, with borderline abusive parents and the fallout of me getting groomed having me be at the worst mental state I’ve been in 2023. Ashten and Hanna swooped in, pretending to care for me and see me as a family. After Hanna got exiled for being a groomer, Ashten continued with me, going as far as to call me her “god daughter.” She almost convinced me to move to the west coast in her house in Portland Oregon, moving Constellatory in the process, to live with her. Convincing me I need to get out of my house, conveniently mentioning she has housing available for me to move into. She made it very clear she would talk about how she would care for me, like a mother would. Let me mention that she was 26-27 and I was 17.

After I called Ashten out on her heinous actions towards me, she made a 6 page response post outlining the timeline in her own way. She lied numerous times in this document, and once I released more evidence to disprove her document, she reworded it to ensure she still painted herself that she was in the right. I am sure she will do the same thing with this situation, making a long document explaining nothing with no evidence to back up anything.

Anyways, I hope this post wins and people wake up to how awful Ashten truly is. I can attest to many things said here, and I hope this leads to a fedi that can heal without her. These horrible people need to be rooted out before a social network like this can be comfortable.

Thank you for reading, and sorry I’m sort of breaking my “fedi retirement” with this post. I feel the need to put in my 2 cents because I have been personally effected by these people, and I am paying close attention to how this meta plays out.

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