Julia 
julia@eepy.moe
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Guys trust me if all of us adults who are informed about the implications of a companies actions we’ll hurt them financially by boycotting and they’ll have to listen!!! (ignore that the target, and largest demographic for this company are children under the age of 15)
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Seriously this is what Nintendo boycotters sound like
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pancake 
natty@astolfo.social
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@julia I mean it’s also the adults via nostalgia bait
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Yeah, no shit, they suck and have shitty business practices. They don’t give a single solitary shit about your business. As long as children keep asking their parents for their products, it won’t end.
Good luck convincing a ten year old that they shouldn’t play Mario because Nintendo is the antichrist. You do realize how dumb that sounds right?
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(Also literally all companies suck and have shitty business practices, like you COULD just get your games from portland indie communes but the computer you're using to play them was probably made in part by child labor)
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@AppleAmps @julia > probably
no yea thats wayy too generous
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pancake
natty@astolfo.social
@julia ten year olds also ask parents for money that might end up in gambling
Just because it’s legal and children want it doesn’t mean the product isn’t supporting a shitty cause
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@natty ……………………..???
The videogame gambling industry has very little to do with anything about whether or not kids should be allowed to play videogames??
The rating systems exist for a reason, if parents ignore them, that’s on them.
I don’t think comparing fucking Mario Odyssey to Genshin Impact is reasonable or sane.
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natty@astolfo.social
@julia The point is that companies are predatory in both advertising and selling shit to children
“rating systems exist for a reason”
Balatro is PEGI 18
Fortnite is PEGI 12
League of Legends is PEGI 12
Genshin Impact is PEGI 12
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@natty okay, and? I don’t think that means you should prevent your kids from playing games all together that just makes you an asshole
Look into the games you get your kids and don’t just mindlessly get them shit
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pancake
natty@astolfo.social
@julia who the fuck says that
I just think kids deserve to know the truth
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@julia I mean, a lot of kids don’t have purchasing power.
“Hey mom can I get the new Nintendo for Christmas?”
“No you’ll get a gaming pc instead and you’ll be happy about it” 
/silly
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Rexo the Trans Bus 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚌
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@julia why are people complaining about Nintendo
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@rexo because they announced a new product and the “I HATE NINTENDO THEYRE THE ANTICHRIST” people came out to bitch and scream about it again
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@julia a lot of folks don’t really realize that there’s a difference between a boycott and purity ethics applied to consumption.
a boycott is an organized action, with leaders and demands that can be met. it’s something that has a real impact.
if you choose to not buy from a company because they’re bad, without being part of an organized boycott, you’re not accomplishing anything. you’re not forming a big enough movement for them to even notice you, and even if they do notice that you’ve stopped buying from them they won’t do anything about it since you aren’t making clear demands they could consider.
not buying from a company because they’re bad and you don’t want to be associated with them is understandable as a personal choice. but it doesn’t accomplish much, so you shouldn’t be demanding of others that they do that if they don’t want to.
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@natty ??????????? HOW THE FUCK IS THIS PINKWASHING
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if you choose to not buy from a company because they're bad, without being part of an organized boycott, you're not accomplishing anything. you're not forming a big enough movement for them to even notice you, and even if they do notice that you've stopped buying from them they won't do anything about it since you aren't making clear demands they could consider.
I disagree.
yes, one person might not make a difference, but it doesn't have to be all at once. you can slowly start such a movement.
boycotts almost always fail because they're quick things & after a month everyone has forgotten. companies can just wait it out.
whereas a slow movement is more likely to succeed, because the people who stop aren't planning to ever come back.
but also being a cunt to the people who do still buy from them or pestering them to not buy from them is just Not It.
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natty@astolfo.social
@julia People can have their cute little platformer 123 for what I care, but don’t use children as an excuse to justify it when consumer rights are eroded left and right, especially if those children are then gonna grow up into this world get a serious reality check
Just because a kid wants it doesn’t absolve you of your parental responsibility, and don’t use them as a shield when justifying a purchase. Children might be a little impressionable but they’re not gullible. You knowingly made the purchase so take the moral responsibility for it whatever the implications are. Them having one racing game is not gonna end the world of course, but don’t come complaining to me about the company being full of shit
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Tired Bunny 
untsuki@udongein.xyz
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Interesting fact: In Russia Nintendo consoles are mostly for nerdy adults or families where adults play games.
They are way too costly and there is a stigma of "child games" about Nintendo games. And most children (past some age), teens, and even a lot of young adults here really dislike everything with such stigma because it's cosidered uncool or something like that. Desire to look/act more adult + peer pressure.
Maybe that's less of a case now, though, but anyway it doesn't really matter that much.
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Hi! Quick question, when boycotts literally always fail, why should we spend so much time and energy making a "slow moving boycott" instead of doing any other type of political protest?
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natty@astolfo.social
@AppleAmps @julia the “yet you participate in society” argument doesn’t justify anti-consumer practices
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@natty I’m not saying consumer protections should be eroded??? I’m just saying that people who say “don’t ever buy from nintendo, no matter what, they’re bad guys” are stupid
You have the responsibility as a parent to make sure the games you let your children play are not going to be bad for them, and in that regard, I wouldn’t let my kids play games with microtransactions.
But for the case of Nintendo. Their first party titles. Family friendly fun singleplayer experiences??? I don’t think this matters and people are way too up in arms about not supporting them. Let people make their own decisions. I should be able to post a screenshot of a nintendo game without 3 people telling me how I should’ve pirated it instead.
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natty@astolfo.social
@AppleAmps @julia I’m campaigning against people buying Nintendo games?
That’s news to me
Also let’s not go full corporate doomerism
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@natty @AppleAmps its not doomerism its just realistic
if you want change you need to organize
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lily (evil era)
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@julia I will continue stealing from Nintendo and advocate that everyone else join me in doing the same!
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@lily good for you
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pancake
natty@astolfo.social
@AppleAmps @julia We’ve been pointing out how flawed the rhetoric of “the kid wants it” is, not questioning anyone’s damn purchase history
I’m not a damn purist/absolutist or some shit
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@natty @AppleAmps you’re also expanding the scope of “kid wants it” to beyond what I originally said. All I said was Nintendo games. I’m not talking about third party monstrosities with anti-consumer practices all throughout.
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natty@astolfo.social
@julia We didn’t really care about the thread until the “As long as children keep asking their parents for their products, it won’t end.” take really
I just believe parents should take their children’s future into account, and a kid might take a proper discussion about this at an early age much better than grow up in denial about the status quo
A child won’t hate their parents for having a genuine discussion about this stuff and choice-making
This is not to be conflated with guilt tripping
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Caroline Bell 
halotroop2288@meow.social
@julia
Yeah, we're talking to the parents. Obviously. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
As a parent it IS your job to explain to kids why they cannot have things sometimes. Not to give them things without question just because it would make them happy.
Kids also need to be taught that alternatives exist. So you'd take that opportunity to introduce them to emulators and the Steam Deck.
Anyhow, I'm not going to be called a dumbass on my own feed for standing up for my own principles. So gtfo, asshole.
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@halotroop2288 A child is not going to be satisfied with emulation when they can’t play with their friend from school. Be realistic. Please. Children do not have the capacity to understand the scope of world politics, nor should they have to.
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natty@astolfo.social
@AppleAmps @julia See we’re just tired of hearing something will have no impact
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@natty I would’ve been very mad at my parents and held a grudge against them for a long time if we didn’t get a wii because of some big picture issue with the company making it that went over my head.
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Adderall girl grindset (Jes)
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@julia just buy used carts and sell them on when the console is dead it’s not that hard and Nintendo doesn’t get a dime
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natty@astolfo.social
@julia There’s kinda a nuance between being entitled to it and deserving it
Do they deserve one? Yeah
Are they entitled to one? Might be worth discussing with them
Parents aren’t some unchangeable entity with no room for compromises and stuff
I don’t wanna be like my parents
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@solonovamax @julia you’re right, even if it’s not organized it does something. companies will weigh the potential loss of customers due to bad optics before making an evil decision, even without an organized boycott.
but it does very little. imo, it’s not an effective enough form of activism for people to see it as an obligation.
if you want to make world a better place, pick a few battles that you’ll have the energy for and focus on those. don’t give yourself moral OCD by treating every “this company is evil” you hear on social media as a new rule you have to follow.
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but it does very little. imo, it's not an effective enough form of activism for people to see it as an obligation.
it should never be seen as an "obligation", imo.
if you want to make world a better place, pick a few battles that you'll have the energy for and focus on those. don't give yourself moral OCD by treating every "this company is evil" you hear on social media as a new rule you have to follow.
yeah, I definitely agree with that.
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Hi! Quick question, when boycotts literally always fail, why should we spend so much time and energy making a "slow moving boycott" instead of doing any other type of political protest?
don't.
don't spend a lot of time doing something like this, unless you can afford said time (ie. have the time & spoons to spare, etc.)
spend time doing other forms of political protests instead.
it's generally more effective.
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@AppleAmps @evening @julia yeah, I just brought it up bc it was relevant lol
but like I see it as a personal choice I've made. not something that I need to be bugging others to do as well.
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@natty @julia wanted to chime in to basically say the same thing…
I mean what is the harm in telling the kid - “I know you really want this game - gut you should know the people making it XYZ”
The same way one would explain to them why they don’t want to give them money to participate in gambling or feed them fast food every day…
Like I’m not saying that denying a kid being able to play a platformer 123 is necessarily the way to go - but I think explaining to them and coming to a decision what to do together is a way to go…
I mean - maybe the kid won’t even want to play it if they actually learn the reason…
But tbh I think the whole topic is just a bit more complex than ‘buying Nintendo gaem for kid always bad’ vs ‘buying Nintendo gaem for kid always justified’
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natty@astolfo.social
@lexi @julia 
we don’t feel like discussing our parents, but we can tell many people probably have a similar dynamic
And this entire thread we’ve intentionally worded it as “have a fucking discussion” for a reason, we don’t wanna be like them
Why are we being seen as some asshole taking kids’ Wiis for ideological reasons, when this is exactly what we don’t wanna be.
Children just deserve to know WHY we feel like that without being burdened with the emotional weight of the Horrors
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@lexi @julia We never got a DS, our emotionally unavailable father spent(ds) a ton of money on cigarettes, and our mother could barely afford any expensive gifts back then, especially with a hefty mortgage and having barely any cash to finish building the house to move out. Kids deserve better than “the letter to Santa got lost” or whatever
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@natty @lexi @julia I think it’s possible to agree on the debate here without giving children some kind of special privilege, or saying it’s impossible to apply ethical concerns to consumption the moment children are involved.
the broad point Julia was trying to make is “you shouldn’t be pestering other people to not buy Nintendo products over this”. Some things are so bad to buy that making a “don’t buy this” PSA is justified, but not the Nintendo switch.
if asking someone else online to not buy this even if they really want it is overstepping, then you can just apply the same idea to children. respect their autonomy, talk to them about the implications if you want, but buy it for them if they really want it.
that doesn’t rule out refusing to buy things for your children if the ethics of buying one are really bad.
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@natty yeaah
why do online disagreements immediately feel so antagonistic 
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@julia me exploding in a fit of rage when the family video game company announces a goofy new alarm clock with a cool feature
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