trans men are men, and men have power that tends to make them assholes. being a powerful asshole is tied into the common concept of manhood, and as a man, you need to be aware of the power you hold, and work hard to avoid becoming an asshole. so if you are a man, you should expect to be treated as a man, including making people uncomfortable with the power you hold. trans men are benefactors of the patriarchy, and it’s valid to feel threatened by them, just as it is valid to feel threatened by any other man.

@konej the way I frame it internally is: "men do not get a cookie for having been assigned female at birth"

@konej i do think that trans men suffer from patriarchy from being assigned female from birth the same way that trans women suffer from patriarchy by choosing to be female, though. how much they suffer for this is up to argument however and it’s such a nuanced issue that any answer that tries to definitively say “trans women suffer this much and trans men suffer this much” will be partially-or-wholly incorrect and will deny some people of their experiences

@shroomie i think that’s true, but lots of trans men have the power to integrate into male spaces and benefit from being part of those spaces. the fact is that all men are benefactors of the patriarchy, even if those who don’t conform to the standard mold of manliness benefit less. of course there’s more nuance to it, but my point stands that trans men need to accept the baggage and power imbalance of being a man.

@shroomie like, i think trans men suffer for their transness, but not for their manhood. any suffering a man faces for his manhood pales in comparison to the benefits he gains from it. “misandry” as an institutional concept is just silly.

@konej i’ve never thought of misandry as an institutional concept. it’s always to me been a more lower-level social thing, often from transfems