Conversation
Catholic: "I worship the Eucharist"
Evangelical: "HA! So you admit it! What happened to "veneration" huh?? Haha!"
Catholic: "No no I know what I said. I worship the Eucharist-"
Evangelical: "you just did it again! HAHA! You DO worship the Eucharist!"
Catholic: "I worship the Eucharist because it's God, it's not idolatry-"
Evangelical: "HAHA! so you worship another God huh? FINALLY Catholics admit it!"
Catholic: "No, I don't think your understanding-"
*This goes on for another hour*
Evangelical: "HA! So you admit it! What happened to "veneration" huh?? Haha!"
Catholic: "No no I know what I said. I worship the Eucharist-"
Evangelical: "you just did it again! HAHA! You DO worship the Eucharist!"
Catholic: "I worship the Eucharist because it's God, it's not idolatry-"
Evangelical: "HAHA! so you worship another God huh? FINALLY Catholics admit it!"
Catholic: "No, I don't think your understanding-"
*This goes on for another hour*
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon its literally his flesh and blood what is there to not understand. catholics are eating god
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon i mean in reality i do actually think that its an idol of him but so was the original bread and wine in his lifetime which he considered fine so its like... the exception that makes the rule ok
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon wait what about crucifixes with him actually on them those arent symbolic are those idols?
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon i jest, they probably talked about this at the council of nycea
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@coolbean @luce-anon the council of nicaea is one of the most overhyped things ever it was literally just "ok so the Arians are wrong. when should we celebrate Easter"
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@haematophage @coolbean well.... The creed is pretty important
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@coolbean we wouldn't consider them idols because we are not actually worshiping the crucifix, we are showing respect for it because it reminds us of God. If you kiss a picture of your mom your not actually kissing your mom or intending to do so, your kissing something that reminds you of your mom and makes you think of her. The affection is going to your mom, not the picture. If that makes any sense.
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@luce-anon @coolbean well yeah but I mean pretty much every atheist and protestant believes that literally everything about Christianity was invented there
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@haematophage @coolbean yeah no I'm gonna have to disagree with that. First of all All Protestants recognize and affirm the council of nicaea and don't believe that they invented Christianity at all. The council of nicaea was simply Constantine getting all the bishops together to affirm and define what Christianity believes now that it was no longer an illegal religion. The doctrines and beliefs established at the council can be found in the early church and predate the council of nicaea.
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@haematophage @luce-anon yea i pretty much just used it to represent all of agreed upon doctrine cause like... that happened at some point people have argued about catholicism for longer than Catholicism has existed
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@coolbean @luce-anon also the Eucharist isn't an idol because it is fully Jesus, body, blood, soul, divinity.
crucifixes/icons in general are also not idols because their purpose is to depict their subject. compare that to e.g. the golden calf, which was itself made an object of worship.
crucifixes/icons in general are also not idols because their purpose is to depict their subject. compare that to e.g. the golden calf, which was itself made an object of worship.
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@haematophage @luce-anon i see
my definition if idol was flawed a conflated it with icon my bad i was never baptised i literally just didnt have to deal with this
my definition if idol was flawed a conflated it with icon my bad i was never baptised i literally just didnt have to deal with this
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@coolbean @luce-anon if you want a fun little sentence to remember by, idols are things you worship, icons are things that remind you to worship
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shroomie
@luce-anon hey thanks for the permission to say something anti-catholic
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@luce-anon @coolbean What are you disagreeing with exactly?
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@haematophage @coolbean wait maybe I'm misunderstanding, are you saying the council of nicaea invented Christianity like that was the origin point of the religion's core doctrines? Like they were invented at nicaea?
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@coolbean @pernia an Idol is like actually believing that what you are worshiping is the God itself in some sort of way. Similar to how Catholics worship the Eucharist and literally call it God and treat it like it is God. EXCEPT when Catholics do it it's not idolatry because it literally is God's body and blood, not bread and wine.
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia oh wait yea i fucked up idols and icons again
ok yea shintoism is just pure idolatry. thats wonderful
ok yea shintoism is just pure idolatry. thats wonderful
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia but also i am still breaking the first commandment as well by taking other gods before him so like i think idolatry is of secondary concern here
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia tldr: inanimate objects over time gain something called a kami which is translated in a bunch of different ways and only one of them is god (in my opinion this is a flawed understanding, id translate it as soul or more broadly spirit) and in all honesty i dont actually think i grasp the way you worship them entirely. you sacrifice food to them (or in more animate terms, share it with them) and sometimes build temples for them to live in and dedicate a guy to giving them their sacrifices and making little trinkets that carry their blessing that the temple can sell for good luck
also sometimes those temples are miniaturised and on a shelf overlooking your living room and you are the priest taking care of the kami which is neat and id like to build one because the house we live in is so old no records of its construction survive. as far as the german government is aware its just always existed so the kami that resides here is probably quite old and wise
also sometimes those temples are miniaturised and on a shelf overlooking your living room and you are the priest taking care of the kami which is neat and id like to build one because the house we live in is so old no records of its construction survive. as far as the german government is aware its just always existed so the kami that resides here is probably quite old and wise
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia yea im just saying, breaking the second commandment goes after breaking the first one
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@pernia @luce-anon so i guess shintoism is just buddhism + idolatry
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia even if describing kami as gods is reaaaaally stretching definitions here. like a powerful really old kami thats been well taken care of for centuries might be able to pull some strings to make sure you pass your driving test or whatever. like i guess if you define god as anything you worship that counts but maaan this guy is nowhere near the abrahamic god. its just a damn lighter. it was manufactured in the 90s its barely any older than i am
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia every bit helps though. even if its just helping me psych myself up
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia its also highly applicable to anyone that interacts with computers regularly cause their kamis totally pick favorites and thats why errors just disappear the moment someone else tries to do it
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coolbean@brain.worm.pink
@luce-anon @pernia the cause of "it works on my machine" is spiritual
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