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AppleAmpsRE: https://seafoam.space/objects/28d6def1-c0ff-4840-8bb0-a08a9d3f2417
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@AppleAmps my best guess is that it’s because they’re in the middle of the ocean and so cutting off from the us would be tearing their biggest mainland alliance to shreds
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MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social@AppleAmps mainly bcs a large chunk of Hawaii's population are mainland americans who moved there and now live their permanently and the entire Hawaiian economy is built on american tourism basically
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Mh, fair enough, that tracks with why and how they got annexed in the first place. To be fair though there *are* a lot of places on Earth that rely on American tourism that aren't exactly begging to be invaded.
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Also for a more direct comparison, couldn't you say something similar about French Polynesia? One of their main industries is tourism and god knows they've got a sovereigntist spirit.
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MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social@AppleAmps one of the contributing things might be that polynesia is apparantly 78% ethnicly Polynesian whereas Hawaii is only 9% ethnic Hawaiian
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That's fair. I guess it just goes to show how effective the American style of settler colonialism is, then.
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AppleAmpsI'd make a comment about the Malvinas islands here but in the interest of not causing an international incident I'll abstain.
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⚧Kunikleto Celeste⚧
celestestormysea@yiff.life@AppleAmps The US has not fallen yet and has no clear pathway to secession of its peoples and lands. The Civil War is still a strong memory. The Confederates would like to relitigate it some day but they are satisfied with the dark arts for now. They're mostly waiting for the right moment to leave or being provoked beyond their patience. The U.S. is also afraid of loss and has had many rebellion attempts that are unsuccessful. Until a military and economy bigger than the U.S. can protect secessionist entities from the U.S. the U.S. will not fall. The U.K. however has pissed off multiple actors with the power to support secessionists such as the EU, Russia, China, and the U.S.
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Do you seriously think an independent Scotland would get support from *China* and *Russia*? Also, like, historically is that really how secessionism works? Most examples I can think of where a country breaks off from another there wasn't a need for that kind of mediation. Panama and Taiwan, maybe but aside from those two.
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celestestormysea@yiff.life@AppleAmps The U.S. exists because other countries wanted to snub the U.K. and the U.K. itself had no stomach for war when it could trade and maintain cordial relations.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Peace-of-Paris-1783
https://newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/the-american-revolution-through-british-eyes/
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I know, yeah! But that happened 250 years ago, in modern times, where more often than not secession from empire is handled by way of protest and referendum I don't think those rules apply.
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AppleAmpsWhich is why I made the comparison to Scotland here and French Polynesia elsewhere, two countries who's sovereigntist movements are political parties and not militias. I don't think they'd need the EU or Russia to "protect" them if, say, the 2014 referendum had gone through.
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