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elizabeth wormđź”…wormverified

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reasons why chief is a vampire
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  • at least 100 but looks younger bc she doesnt age normally
  • vaguely spooky
  • her “desire was finally satiated” when she tasted shin’s blood
  • has mysterious rules she physically cannot dispbey
  • weird power she can use to control other people
  • lesbian
  • can suck the life out of others
  • spent a lot of time in a coffin
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reasons why chief is a vampire
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@lizzie wait she's not like explicitly canonically a vampire? for some reason i thought she was?
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re: reasons why chief is a vampire
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@ww no absolutely not

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@ww i was just posting about how fans tend to depict her as a vampire the other day. she isnt actually one. she’s something else called a shepherd and a lot of these reasons are very much taken out of context

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@lizzie shepherd sounds religious or dog
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@ww religious, though she is most similar in personality to the dog woman of any other character i suppose

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@ww abyssal cannibal divinity learning about humanity by being it and bringing enlightenment to others

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@lizzie so kinda like jesus

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@ww yeah exactly. what if God was cannibalistic and jesus was an angry lesbian

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@ww she has a sister who is also a shepherd too. shepherds and deus corpuses (evil eucharist body) are all manifestations of the Source, and so is the perishing star that began the apocalypse. they all yearn to consume and be consumed by one another.

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@lizzie @ww somehow i'm also reminded of ayba https://aybaonline.carrd.co/#library
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i think after playing Belot i will never, ever play Heretic (including Hexen) ever again

it really is the fulfilment of every promise of something good that was hinted at in Heretic but was never delivered - like, literally every single thing i wanted to like Heretic for i found the thing i actually enjoyed in Belot

*and* the actual gameplay and weaponry is immeasurably more satisfying
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@lizzie that's a fucking weird source if it gets manifested that way
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@apophis oooh i’ve always wanted a good serpent riders experience, i’ll look into this right now immediately as soon as possible

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@apophis belot is a card game; are you talking about something that isn’t actually called belot?

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@apophis

doom related thing with its own in-depth story and lore

sounds familiar..

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@apophis idk how you slightly older queer folk do it but like. wow. i wish i could make interesting, good art like you can

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@shroomie liah's work is absolutely exceptional though

but i think this (like nearly all good art) is also the product of distilling years of previous unpublished projects...
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@apophis i haven’t really been making things. i have issues with motivation

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@apophis ig on the subject of belot, does it use any special nugget doom features or can i just open it up in woof (which is what i normally use)?

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@shroomie pretty much anything that supports mbf21 and decohack should work, if you get an error load it as a pwad instead of an iwad
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@apophis i mean the files are in the autoexec directory so i assumed they were just supposed to be ran under -file

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@shroomie i just took the .wad file out and ran it with my own nugget/woof/uz install
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@apophis oh well yeah that’s basically what i was saying. i just exclusively launch doom from the command line lol.

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@ww okay so there is a “real” abyss that seems to repeatedly make other “false” worlds and consume them to gain better self understanding in a cycle. the source is the means through which the abyss extends into the world. its manifestations are called great existences (but they are all individually also the singular great existence). shin describes chief as not truly being human bc of her “umbilical cord” connecting her to the abyss. as much as chief hates the idea, everything she does against the abyss (and Mania, which she considers her ultimate enemy) is still her embodying its will in a way. the manifestations of the source assimilate wishes and emotions so that the abyss can become them. they tend to promise that they will grant wishes, and they kinda will, but only in ways that pull everything towards ultimate rupture. consuming and being consumed.

any concentration of Mania will cling to minds and pull them into this process of refining and assimilating wishes, driving everything into oblivion. by being the the source of Mania in the world, the source is the engine that drives this process.

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ramble to defend my assessment from the exactly zero other ptn fans on fedi
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@ww some others would probably come after me for identifying the abyss and the deep mania as the same thing but theyre not on fedi and shalom calls the deep mania “an abyss” so.

+ the deep mania can appear as many different things to different people at different times, so it’s not too big of a jump to say the only difference is that the abyss is the deep mania as observed from a more ocean-focused perspective. the deep mania is usually observed as a sea of flowers while the abyss is a literal sea under dissea with a mouth, but chief seems to have the same relationship to both, so either the deep mania is a more fundamental truth on which the abyss rests or the abyss is just the deep mania described differently after eternal nightmare shifted more towards ocean horror

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re: ramble to defend my assessment from the exactly zero other ptn fans on fedi
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@ww also tbh deep mania is more of a community term. most of the time its just called “the ultimate end” in game

except anarkia who calls it the realm of truth ig

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elizabeth wormđź”…wormverified

okay according to the s1n wiki, all spiritual realms are the same underlying truth, so the worlds that eleven makes are just as much the deep mania as the abyss, though the abyss seems to be a more “natural” presentation

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this also explains how chief going into a place as nasty as the abyss takes her to a relatively peaceful place, and why all the immortals are considered to be the abyss while also being in the eternal nightmare

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