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puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social
you know what i hope ends in my life time unironically? segregating based off of gender and/or sex. i think āmale sportsā and āfemale sportsā shouldnāt exist. i hate gender essentialism.
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genuinely hope that future generations look back on when we separated restrooms based on what genitals you were supposed to have they get the same feeling of unease and disbelief as i did when i first learned about racial segregation.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 what, so you treated people different for having a penis or a vagina? wait PEOPLE BASED GENDER ON THAT?
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@puppygirlhornypost2 i feel like eventually the idea of like, cis people and trans people just won't exist because people get to choose their gender either way, so there's not much of a distinction other than just puberty i guess
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@darl i mean thatās the goal. to normalize it to the point thereās not really a concept of trans or cis
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@puppygirlhornypost2 wait does gender even fucking need to exist like damn it has only caused us problems
can we just exist as like cool fucken aliens and just reproduce through mitosis or without binaries anymore
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@darl i like having sex though so can we keep the sex part
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@puppygirlhornypost2 I dunno. I really donāt feel comfortable with that idea. Men areā¦ bleghā¦
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@puppygirlhornypost2 My mom spent so much time reminding me over and over again that a lot of men are not above sexual abuse, and if Iām honest, if Iām alone in public, itās terrifying. I donāt think bathrooms should be agender- I could get behind individual bathroom stalls with proper walls and everything, but I donāt want a man I donāt trust anywhere near me while Iām going to the bathroom.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 like, it has been repeatedly shown that the primary factor in competitiveness in sports is just how much testosterone you have in your body, regardless of your gender/sex lol
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@puppygirlhornypost2 you put it into words!!
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@jnpojuwan it was hard to explain the feeling i felt. i just thought it was so cruel. at that time i didnāt know the word dystopian. Itās at this time I acknowledge that I lived in Alabama, in a community where it was a very even mix (prior to that i had lived in arizona and the places that i lived didnāt have a large black population). I had just as much black friends as I had white and then to hear about all of that. Just felt unreal to me? I donāt know how to describe it.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 yayyy we all happy :3
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@puppygirlhornypost2 no like sex would still be a thing but it just wouldn't be attached to the idea of these binaries
like, a girl, or a boy, or a boy on a girl, or a girl on a girl, or a boy on a boy or anything like that
like, we would instead find attraction in the unique configuration of identity in that person instead of having to decant into generalistic labels
hmm... i think this is a complex question too because we are also naturally women and men because gender identity itself happens naturally (disregarding of predetermined biological configurations) so would it be erasure to delete the concept of gender altogether?
yeah my brain is stupid forget all i said š
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183231bcb@transfem.social
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @darl You can keep the sex part but you wonāt be welcome in Denmark once weāve conquered it.
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hipsterelectron@circumstances.run@solonovamax @puppygirlhornypost2 i was under the impression that "testosterone over baseline" was more relevant as opposed to absolute levels of testosterone, meaning testosterone above the amount that your body has been generating from glands or is otherwise accustomed to. i believe that people with high absolute levels of testosterone do not necessarily exhibit greater athletic ability
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@LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 maybe not, but at least then theyād get screamed at by everyone else in the room until they leave
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hipsterelectron@circumstances.run@solonovamax @puppygirlhornypost2 like why is this not the exact argument used to justify gender segregation in sports? not trying to troll i am just confused by assertions that testosterone is supposedly so important because i see that a lot from people against gender integration. but i'm the opposite of an expert here. feel free to ignore
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Luna Dragofelis ĪĪ š³ļøāā§ļø
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if the bathroom is quiet and there's no bystanders, this won't help
also I just know it's going to lead to non-passing trans women getting harassed out of the toilet for being "men" (just like it is today)
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I mean, are violent rapists generally stopped by women screaming at them, either?
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@LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 I mean, I was non passing for a long time, I get it, but genuinely, I donāt feel safe around men in public, and I think bathrooms should remain gender separated or be individual.
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@AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 I mean, fair. But still the notion that I should be comfortable using the same bathroom as a man sits wrong with me. I still remember being mortified the last time I had to use the mens room instead of the womenās room, I couldnāt actually get myself to go because I was scared.
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@julia @LunaDragofelis They should be individual, or at the very least we should remove the āgapā in North American restrooms. I donāt think anyone whoās purposely praying on vulnerable people is going to be stopped by segregated bathrooms (Iāve heard plenty of horror stories about late night gas station bathrooms). I also think I would genuinely feel safer if there were other men in the bathroom to thwart off anyone from trying to attempt that (although i know that logic is flawed)
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @LunaDragofelis just being around men while vulnerable scares the ever loving shit out of me
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@julia @LunaDragofelis same except itās not even just men being around other people i donāt know who could potentially be hostileā¦
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @LunaDragofelis itās probably just a trauma response that my mom drilled into me
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@julia @LunaDragofelis probably. i donāt want to dismiss it though because it would take getting used to for a lot of people in similar circumstances. personally, i think that we should just not tolerate this behavior as a society (I find it sickening the catcalling girls face at ages as early as 10!)
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I mean don't get me wrong, men fucking *suck*, but don't you think that that might be influenced by society's obsession with gender essentialism? Like if you're taught since birth that women are a separate species and have that thought reinforced through, say, bathroom segregation, does that not in many ways lead to treating them as lesser?
Also I know this is a low-hanging fruit thing to say but what you're saying rn is kinda passing privilege tbh. Like y'know I'd like to share public bathrooms with people that have my same gender identity but I don't *get* to, and agender bathrooms would alleviate that feeling for non-passing trans people like myself.
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Julia
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@AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 it is passing privilege, but like. I donāt think mixed gender bathrooms are the solution. Agender ones are the solution, but I donāt see that finding mass adoption due to the need to reconstruct things
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Ok but what are the practical reasons that you think mixed-gender bathrooms aren't the solution?
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@julia @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis I object I donāt think itās passing privilege to worry about such things. Especially with the increased violence towards transgender individuals. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/ I think Julia has some trauma yes but itās not āpassing privilegeā.
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis maybe because pissing in front of strangers is just not great? I mean I relate to her and I donāt even care what bathroom Iām in. Sitting there trying to piss at a urinal when someoneās close to me and for some god forsaken reason my body doesnāt want to work and I have to force it.
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Luna Dragofelis ĪĪ š³ļøāā§ļø
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I didn't say that? It's privilege to be able to share a bathroom with people that are your same gender, not to be scared of men. Like, *I'm* scared of men, but I don't have the privilege of not using men's bathrooms.
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Julia
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@AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 I have seen disgusting and appalling behavior from men from my time I had to spend in mens spaces. I donāt trust them in the slightest to behave themselves with mixed gender bathrooms.
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis I think thereās very real concerns in regards to this. Being afraid of being cornered in a bathroom with nowhere to escape. https://www.npr.org/2024/03/15/1238780699/nex-benedict-nonbinary-oklahoma-death-bullying itās something that happens enough to be concerned about. Even if I donāt agree that sheās more likely to be attacked by men in particular I get the sentiment.
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@LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 this would be better, yeah
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis sorry perhaps i was misreading
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis I donāt get to use female bathrooms either for that matter. I am not on hrt and i havenāt publicly transitioned so i get it :/
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Wait no but she IS more likely to be attacked by men! Men commit literally nine times as many violent crimes as women!
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis like iād personally feel better either way if we removed the gendered signs so that im not accosted for not being feminine enough (another topic all together)
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Also isn't this an argument against public bathrooms in general?
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Julia
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@AppleAmps @puppygirlhornypost2 @LunaDragofelis whatās the alternative though
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis yes and she proposed maybe having closed off bathrooms. Iāve seen gendered bathrooms that were just one person bathrooms thatās just stupid. theyāre both the same exact toilet regardless of the man sign or the woman sign
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis I really like European gender neutral bathrooms because each stall is basically a private room at that point with a shared sink outside.
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@AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis this is more of what i was trying to propose originally.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis I agree that those would be better, yes
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@julia @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis although the one thing about that is i canāt lift up my skirt plop out my giant cock and start pissing in a urinal to peopleās shock and confusion. :(
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Oh, like Amber said I feel like mixed-gender bathrooms with private, large stalls'd be fine.
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Julia
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@AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis @puppygirlhornypost2 yeah I think those would be better for everyone
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@julia @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis you know that just fits in with my personality though nobody doubts that i would do that
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@hipsterelectron @solonovamax @puppygirlhornypost2 Yep. Endogenous testosterone (the stuff your body makes without prompting) has no correlation with athletic ability. Exogenous testosterone (the stuff in pills or injections etc) has a correlation.
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d@nny "disc@" mcĀ²
hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
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SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe@hipsterelectron @solonovamax @puppygirlhornypost2 almost forgot to say "lol"
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis iām thinking that maybe instead of one big bathroom with multiple stalls in it, itād be much safer if there were simply multiple smaller bathrooms that only one person can be in at a time
that way no one would have to deal with other people
but thats more expensive so why would anyone bother, and most people dont care enough to get anything of that sort standardized
also side note but iām scared that if gender neutral bathrooms actually catch on anywhere, men would continue getting their stupid urinals installed and piss out in the open for everyone to see, but now while also exposing women to it. god i hate urinals i hate urinals i hate urinals i hate urinals i hate urinals i hate urinals
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@lea @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis at least in the european gender neutral bathrooms i was talking about earlier it seemed to all be stalls and no urinals.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis urinal defenders are literally more stubborn and obnoxious about their disgusting pissing habits than political extremists are about their political takes
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mirasicaƤ of the valley of the river 
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but yeah they should be fully enclosed everywhere
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis iāve honestly never seen gender neutral bathrooms anywhere (although granted id rather be in pain for hours than use any public bathroom unless absolutely necessary)
at US airports i always used the family bathrooms but they didnt even have that in germany i think
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@lea @puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis I hate urinals so much just pee sitting down itās not hard
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@julia @puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis and male bathrooms are ALWAYS designed that you have to walk past them to get to the stalls
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@mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps @puppygirlhornypost2 YES. in the US stall walls donāt touch the floor or ceiling, leaving ample room for creeping hands or whatever fucking else itās awful
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@lea @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis bestie, one of my clients is edu in Oklahoma and even they have a gender neutral bathroom. 
itās only one stall but itās still a leap forward. A community college I formerly attended to had a proper gender neutral bathroom with the half man half woman logo (was pretty cool to see considering Oklahoma is a transphobic Republican controlled shithole)
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@mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps @puppygirlhornypost2 Iāve genuinely not once seen fully enclosed stalls in my life
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@julia @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps the official excuse for this is the war on drugs (literally the gaps are for the explicit purpose of seeing what one is doing inside the restroom yes)
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis the closest thing ive seen here is the disabled bathroom at my old school lol
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mirasicaƤ of the valley of the river
mira@kumis.industries
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@julia @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps Iād take a photo but school is in session and I do not want to catch a charge. Youāll just have to believe me on that one.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps I DONT CARE IF SOME BITCH IS DOING HEROIN NEXT TO ME THATS HER PREROGATIVE I JUST WANNA FUCKING PEE IN PEACE
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Luna Dragofelis ĪĪ š³ļøāā§ļø
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I propose a separate room with urinals only, in addition to the (ungendered) individual stall rooms. So that the standpissers don't bother the sitpissers.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps why is this God awful country like this š
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@julia @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps yes. I am. Most notably as well establishments will purposely make things like the toilet lid slanted so stuff falls off of them and people canāt do lines. Itās why you canāt rest anything on the toilet paper holder.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @mira @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps I hate this fucking country
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@LunaDragofelis @julia @lea @AppleAmps I agree but only if the urinals are gender neutral so I can piss while standing itās quite convenient I have to admit
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lesbian todd howard
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mirasicaƤ of the valley of the river
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@mira @puppygirlhornypost2 I put my phone in my purse and hang it from the door
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@mira @puppygirlhornypost2 thereās usually a hanger on the door in the womenās room, in the menās room itās less common in my experience
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mirasicaƤ of the valley of the river
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@puppygirlhornypost2 the only sport iāve played, quite badly, since i left school is archery. the olympic events are segregated but the bows, arrows, distances, targets, etc. are the same for men and women, so you can compare scores directly. in the individual events in the 2024 summer games the two highest scoring women did better than all the men, which just reinforces my suspicion that a lot of gender segregation in sport is about protecting men from the embarrassment of losing to women.
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@lea @julia @LunaDragofelis @AppleAmps @puppygirlhornypost2 i was to iceland once. the only place where i saw a gendered bathroom was in a very touristy area in reykjavĆk. the rest was all individual, sign-less little bathrooms. literally everything else, in every corner of the country. it was very nice
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God please let Iceland join the EU so I can live there ššššš
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@AppleAmps @LunaDragofelis @julia @lea @puppygirlhornypost2 compared to other non-eu nations, you should have comparatively little issue moving to iceland. i have friends who went to live there for varying amounts of time, one even for several years, with practically no paperwork, or burdens. and if its that simple to live there for several years, the jump to "permanently" shouldnt be all that difficult. do note that this is fully anecdotal however and this could be all wrong :3p. but seriously, there are many nations that are an absolute pain to move to, never heard of iceland being that way
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@SallyStrange @hipsterelectron @puppygirlhornypost2 huh, I was under the impression that it was baseline T level which affected it
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girlcreature smoochers anonymous 
allthestars@transfem.social
@puppygirlhornypost2 they mostly start because one woman does better than one man &the men freak out.
or because women have to start them because they have been gatekept out of mens sport but still want to play it.
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183231bcb@transfem.social
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @lea @AppleAmps @julia @LunaDragofelis When I was in kindergarten (in the U.S.) my classroom had a gender neutral bathroom with one stall and two urinals. There should probably have been two stalls and one urinal given that more people needed the stall.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 Introducing Toilet Basic and Toilet Nitro
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girlcreature smoochers anonymous
allthestars@transfem.social
@puppygirlhornypost2 &honestly. men are usually very involved in helping create these women sporting spaces.
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@julia @puppygirlhornypost2 Frankly not sure how the split will eventually hold up when there are more openly nonbinary people
Also yeah America get normal fucking stalls holy shit
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