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@AppleAmps “edgy jokes” are still bigotry. Don't dismiss harm.
Harrassment is wrong, transphobia is wrong. But at the end of the day, she's white first, she will be fine.
The queer black folk speaking out about the racism and lack of accountability tho... And they're are the main people getting harmed and unpersoned by these things.
You should hold the creators you like accountable.
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@monaant @AppleAmps i mean i don’t know the situation but if a 15 year old says “kill all [insert minority]s” it does not mean that it automatically reflects on their 30 year old selves.
plus, i don’t think amps is necessarily trying to dismiss any harm on gooseworx’s part, fae is just pointing out that people tend to dismiss or forgive what teenage male youtubers did in their teens more than what people in general have done with gooseworx
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Hi, I say this with all due respect, but you're being a complete tool right now.
Hold her accountable for what? She made a couple bad jokes ten years ago when she wasn't a public figure, all of which she's apologized for, what more do you expect? You say harassment is wrong but when you keep endlessly expecting "accountability" from someone who's already been held accountable there's nothing they can do to comply other than lay down and rot while their presence on the internet gets wiped, which is what's happening to her.
Also, how fucking dare you invoke this shallow "other people have it worse" rhetoric. When talking about a single instance of a bad thing happening I don't fucking care if it's happened worse to others, it's still bad that it's happening now. Please don't appeal to this petty faux-woke shit when you're in a Hispanic woman's mentions.
And, finally, fuck off. White trans women aren't "white first" and while that privilege certainly holds weight it doesn't outweigh the crippling levels of oppression they face. She made her career on the internet and relies on people picking up and sharing her works, if these people get their way and unperson her I'm not entirely sure she'll be "fine", actually.
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Yeah, joan's right here, it's insane this has to be stated but having a bad sense of humor as a teenager should not be a black mark against you for your entire life, and it's insane people hold trans women to this insane standard and let others off the hook. Also for the record the stuff she said was incredibly mild.
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@AppleAmps When I say
”The queer black folk speaking out about the racism and lack of accountability tho...”
I'm talking only about the black people who are talking about the goosework situation. It's not a point I made up.
The only reason I'm even aware of anything involving goose and her show is cuz of a black creator discussing the racism of the fandom, of goose and her friends/crew.
Have you listened to any black perspective on it? Cuz that's where I'm coming from, that's what I'm concerned about.
And again, treating saying hateful shit as just jokes/things of the past/she was a teenager/it was mild is ignoring the harm this casual bigotry causes. “Edgy jokes” are a marginalized kid's trauma.
Also, the things I'm aware about, are stuff she engaged in as an adult.
Yes being trans mean people will be less forgiving on her, I'm not condoning the harassment, it's not that your assessment is wrong, but as it is about goose, it is ignoring the wide context.
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