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(Lenguaje femenino y neutro, porfa)
Peronist with Kicillofist characteristics
I'm 18 but still, don't be gross in my mentions.
My avatar is a pixel art bush with legs, tired eyes, and a rose on their head.
My banner is three girls from the anime Lucky Star talking.
Proud humanist.
All my posts have alt-text but some of my boosts don't, sorry!

(The edit to the Walking Bushie in my bio was done by @h@besties.house, check her out!)
HRT since: 9/1/2025 (or 1/9/2025 if you're from the US)
Gen alpha if they were multiplied by two: Twelve Fourteen! Twelve Fourteen!
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Praying for maximal SNP and PC domination tomorrow, 100% victory for both, total strategic ap Iorwerth/Swinney victory, etc.
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If I had been on those planes, 9/11 wouldn't have gone down like that. In fact it would have been far worse.
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@FiringSquadsEnjoyer @shroomie
You might be kinda based.
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@FiringSquadsEnjoyer @shroomie
Mind you I still think that even within that scenario pressing red is justified because you can't know what everyone else will choose and applying moral weight to not putting your life in mortal peril on the chance it might save someone else is kinda Mark Wahlberg 9/11 core.
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@FiringSquadsEnjoyer @shroomie
Ok, see, I think this argument does have merit, yeah. Most discussions I've seen have kinda just used the assumption that everyone is beamed understanding of the scenario regardless of prior condition and/or that within the thought experiment everyone is a rational actor but if when choosing you can be reasonably sure that there's gonna be a baby somewhere presented with two colors and no context it does make more sense to risk dying.
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@shroomie
But you don't know if anyone is gonna jump, though, the voting is blind, you're not "helping stop the train" as much as you are assuming people will try to kill themselves.
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@shroomie
Ok, but, frankly, why put your life on the line to have such a low chance of saving someone who values theirs so little? Blue only saves anyone if more than fifty percent presses it, if your thinking is that "someone" will, unless you're sure that "someone" is 4 billion minus 1 people you're just adding to the bodycount at that point.
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@shroomie
I'm not forgetting, if enough people jump in front that saves everyone who does, you are still not responsible if you don't jump.
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@shroomie
The train analogy is entirely logically equivalent, pressing red isn't "pushing someone into the tracks" because it's a non-action, you're choosing to have nothing happen to you and to do nothing to anyone else. If you choose to not jump in front of the train that's one less person that can save all the schmucks who DO jump, but you're not culpable for the death of people who chose to put themselves in harm's way for, again, no reason.
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@shroomie
Also you doing that is what makes death more likely overall, you get that right? The only reason people have to press blue, therefore bringing the possibility of death into the scenario, is because you can't trust other people to simply not press the button that might kill them.
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@shroomie
But you're not killing someone!! Choosing not to dive in front of the train is not the same as pushing someone in!
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@shroomie
You can choose to save yourself or maybe possibly save people who are choosing to risk their lives when they could just save themselves, frankly the former makes more sense.
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@shroomie
Ok, but if for every individual it makes more sense to pick red why wouldn't everyone pick it? If it has a 100% chance to save you and a 100% chance to save everyone if all other people vote rationally with their life on the line, why would you pick blue?
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@shroomie
No! Why?
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@shroomie
That's the point of the train analogy, if no one flings themselves into mortal peril for no reason no one dies.
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@shroomie
In what way did you get the math wrong here, though? Like, in the diagram if you choose red and everyone else chooses red literally no one dies.
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@shroomie
Why are you assuming that so many people will choose blue when choosing red is inherently better for them?
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